37 replies to this topic

[Lanceyy]

it not being a bannable offense and it being an exploit are two different things though

[joeIII]

Nor is Con giving his OK on something the same as the community embracing it.  Melee exploiting continues, and will be really kinda hard to end completely without changing suppression invulnerability and AI targeting.  Which isn't going to happen.

 

So the community itself seems to have stepped in.  Melee exploiters are identified and trashed for a week or so.  Its an ugly, mob mentality fix.  But it seems to be largely effective.

 

 

 

(As a side note, its worth noting Apple got the extra hand at the end when he no longer had enough defenders to keep attackers well suppressed.  This addresses an earlier question elsewhere.)

[treemaster]

Hey GoldenApple ... you discovered the secret of melee exploiting.

 

He spawned left behind your lines ... unfortunately one of his melee doesn't get supressed so he can throw grenades.

 

You might want to try ... it is not fair but easy to do.

 

Still waiting for Con to fix it.

 

 

I believe you are wrong. The first nade is thrown at 51 seconds , by which time all 3 people have to be suppressed

[arose]

I believe you are wrong. The first nade is thrown at 51 seconds , by which time all 3 people have to be suppressed

 

Nope, not if you spawn 3 attackers.

All defenders will target the attacker closest to them. I did a bit of testing and all attackers (including the one who is the furthest away) will get suppressed right after the spawn, but the one furthest away will lose the suppression after a while and will not regain any . That leaves the third able to throw grenades (he won't even be targeted while throwing the nade). That's probably also the reason why it took him so long to throw the first one.

[GoldenApple_NB]

Nope, not if you spawn 3 attackers.

All defenders will target the attacker closest to them. I did a bit of testing and all attackers (including the one who is the furthest away) will get suppressed right after the spawn, but the one furthest away will lose the suppression after a while and will not regain any . That leaves the third able to throw grenades (he won't even be targeted while throwing the nade). That's probably also the reason why it took him so long to throw the first one.

I tried it myself and it did not work. The attack priority suddenly jumps to highest once the survivor recovers from suppression

[treemaster]

Nope, not if you spawn 3 attackers.

All defenders will target the attacker closest to them. I did a bit of testing and all attackers (including the one who is the furthest away) will get suppressed right after the spawn, but the one furthest away will lose the suppression after a while and will not regain any . That leaves the third able to throw grenades (he won't even be targeted while throwing the nade). That's probably also the reason why it took him so long to throw the first one.

 

Like apple said, it does switch. Also , you do know that you can get hit while throwing nades right? you are no longer in the crouched position.

[lael]

Hi Again.  It is not the community"s job to police the game that is my point...this is the cause of many arguments and can also lead to many sometimes false accusations and needless witch-hunt type trashings.  I personally have recovered from "broken pixel syndrome" but some noobs get trashed and quit cause someone in their alliance is accused of this nonsense either rightly or wrongly (I have seen both) and the whole alliance gets pummeled.  Personally I think some use it as an excuse to trash which itself is another issue which the community seems to think it needs to police when there are bounties and other methods available.

[Trent_RPD]

''Attacking fighter threw a grenade-m67''

 

-everybody downed

-all barricades destroyed

-all watchtowers destroyed

-all traps disarmed

-all your dreams destroyed

-your house also destroyed

-your inventory banished due to the power of that m67

 

such skill no exploit 100% legit

[ChrisHitchens]

Hi Again.  It is not the community"s job to police the game that is my point...this is the cause of many arguments and can also lead to many sometimes false accusations and needless witch-hunt type trashings.  I personally have recovered from "broken pixel syndrome" but some noobs get trashed and quit cause someone in their alliance is accused of this nonsense either rightly or wrongly (I have seen both) and the whole alliance gets pummeled.  Personally I think some use it as an excuse to trash which itself is another issue which the community seems to think it needs to police when there are bounties and other methods available.

On kong the approach has generally been to ask the player to stop or face severe retaliation. It seems to work ok for us over there. Reports showing it from different sources usually provide a decent mechanism to guard from unfair witch hunts. If people, on the other hand, didn't care about trashings or exploits then there would be no reason for people to not do it especially as a strong player against weak ones.

Sorry if I strayed a bit off the topic

[lael]

Hi Again.  Hi Chris:  Sorry but all that sounds like to me is a convenient rationalization for those "allegedly" bullied to become bullies.  I stand by my original post and con has failsafes in place to deal with their game issues.  I have seen plenty of witch-hunts and needless trashing of noobs to punish an entire alliance in the name of some sort of twisted justice.  It is what it is...if u trash u trash period..no lame excuses, please just own it and those claiming to "punish" others are far stronger players anyhow so just who again is the bully?

[joeIII]

I'm sorry folks feel like they've been unfairly targeted for their or their teammates actions.  It is a ugly and hacky situation.

 

But again, if CAG thinks melee exploit is OK, and the community does not, can you think of a better workaround? This would be a good place to suggest it, players are listening here.

[lael]

Hi joelll:  "iif CAG thinks the melee exploit is ok"?  OK:  1)If that is true the community should accept it and not try to police itself. 2)  What is  and is not "melee exploit" is debatable..some folks think it is just bringing melee...3)  where does the policing end? now we have accusations of "bow exploit" and ar "exploit" etc.

By and far I have seen ridiculous accusations.(i.e. the "nade exploit". which is simply the use of nades in raiding) this is why the community should not engage in vigilante justice and respect the game and con and report to con, post here or e-mail support@deadzonegame.com.  Respect yourselves, con, the game and each other and please do not punish in the name of some twisted self-righteousness that may be based on falsehoods.  That is my opinion.  I do not however believe I will change any player's beliefs in this regard.  thank you for your attention.

Edited by lael, 17 July 2016 - 09:30 PM.

[Lanceyy]

But again, if CAG thinks melee exploit is OK

 

I doubt CAG thinks the melee exploit is okay.

The reason the grenade throw range was lowered by CAG was to combat this exploit.

 

There just is no easy solution to fixing this exploit

[GoldenApple_NB]

easy solution would be making melees not make the high covered survs dodge every bullet

[Lanceyy]

easy solution would be making melees not make the high covered survs dodge every bullet

 

sadly not that easy. just pm me ingame if you want to know why

[joeIII]

Yeah, I guess no one knows for sure what the various folks at CAG think of melee exploiting.  There were some old posts making it sound like Con was down with it, some minor changes to weaken, but not stop it.  It sure looks to me like Wurstl's reduced-damage-for-crouchers could be hackily applied just to melee to drastically reduce the effectiveness of the practice.  Perhaps its better just to say the devs don't seem interested in fixing the problem, whatever their reasoning.

 

Obviously I don't know the ins and outs of lael's particular complaint.  I've never seen anyone suggest that just bringing a melee on a raid is an exploit without being laughed out of chat.  Certainly sometimes the mob will get it wrong.  But if we weigh an occasional unjustified trashing against keeping melee exploiters at bay, it still seems like the game is better with the vigilantism.  As long as melee exploit is going to exist, and as long as most players don't like it, community policing still seems like the best of available bad solutions. 

[Wurstl]

It sure looks to me like Wurstl's reduced-damage-for-crouchers could be hackily applied just to melee to drastically reduce the effectiveness of the practice.  Perhaps its better just to say the devs don't seem interested in fixing the problem, whatever their reasoning.

lmao the melee was just for smashing purpose, make an account and I'll show you. plz dont fake an expert of a game you dont play and know nothing about.

[Gabacho]

Bottom Line.... I have recorded (against myself) and Submitted videos of exactly how outrageous and indomitable melee manipulation can be, against any compound...

 

The results would make any melee supporter repent....

 

Fortunately.... the raid reports are easy to decifer

 

Unfortunately.... ANY compound can be illegitimately beaten with Melee manipulation - ALSO Fixing this may ruin legitimate raids

 

Personal Conclusion.... Quality Ripping Long Saw for melee raiders : )

 

Rational people please upvote