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#41
Aubrey Dickson

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What I want to know is why are most of the ADULT raiders less mature than my 14 year old brother ? 


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#42
DeathdealerXX

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Thx Gab for the nice trick ,, lol ur unbelievable ,, u know ur the one who discovered this wurstyl and ur team uses it ,,, always pointing the finger at someone else is a habit that people who said things do to divert attention away from themselves .. salty people who cant accept losing resort to cheating in many different ways ,,, so i suggest instead of always pointing fingers either practice and get better without cheating or quit ... cause salty is no way to live ,,my friend
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#43
Lanceyy

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hope this will be dealt with soon, since halloween event is now over


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#44
rpklover

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It has come to my knowledge that +2 and +4 trained books can still be used and that people are still stacking them on top of each other to use guns and gear up to 8 levels above their level.  Trained +3 is the only book that cannot be used I think.

 

Con, stop taking half measures!

 

How is the development on this issue going? It's been a month and this is a serious bug that should be dealt with.

First of all, there are plenty of bugs more annoying that a few dishonest players stacking books. If people just play the game fairly instead of exploiting bugs, this would be a lot better.

I sincerely hope con does not remove the trained books from our inventory, raiders have been buying them, stacking them for years so we can use them when we raid on alts. Personally I use them to skip raiding with HC, SVD and M417 since I am not a big fan of those. If CAG fixes the stackabole bug, that would be 1000x better than removing the books since it's one of the only few PVP books.


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#45
rpklover

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It has come to my knowledge that +2 and +4 trained books can still be used and that people are still stacking them on top of each other to use guns and gear up to 8 levels above their level.  Trained +3 is the only book that cannot be used I think.

 

Con, stop taking half measures!

 

How is the development on this issue going? It's been a month and this is a serious bug that should be dealt with.

First of all, there are plenty of bugs more annoying than a few dishonest players stacking books. If people just play the game fairly instead of exploiting bugs, this would not be an issue.

I sincerely hope con does not remove the trained books from our inventory, raiders have been buying them, stacking them for years so we can use them when we raid on alts. Personally I use them to skip raiding with HC, SVD and M417 since I am not a big fan of those. If CAG fixes the stackable bug, that would be 1000x better than removing the books since it's one of the only few PVP books.

As shown above, trained isn't the only book people are staking. UCS, OS are examples too. It would be unfair to remove UCS50 from the game for PVE players and it would be as unfair to do the same with trained books for PVP players.

 

@Con 

Please reconsider adding trained books back in the game once you find a way to deal with people stacking same named books.

Sincerely,

Every raider on deadzone.


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#46
bossfighter7

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Me personally I found trained books useless because they take the fun out of the game. now right now you might be asking me why? The answer is simple you should have to work for your higher level gear/weapons. I admit I have used a trained book before to raid an alt, yet I still failed the raid on them. Anyways I think there would be no change to the game. Anyways this is just a random DZer voicing their opinion of this topic
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#47
CasualRace

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After five years, the Trained books are suddenly a bad thing?  Con, while you may have received reports from players who don't understand them, why is this an issue for the 99.9% of players who have no problems with Trained?  Some players can't figure out how to work their fuel generators; will you eliminate fuel generators?  And, no, I am not being sarcastic.  These are the kinds of questions some new players ask in chat.

 

The problem with Trained is not a client-side issue.  It is a developer-side issue.  Something is broken in your code that allows this double book exploit.  While I certainly understand disabling Trained while you sort this out, I really don't understand why you are eliminating them altogether.  They are an important part of raiding and were designed (BY YOU).  If you have had reservations about Trained Books for so long, you might have let us know earlier so we could have avoided buying any recently, trading them, or simply using up inventory by building up a stock of them.   

 

This problem (double booking) is not limited to Trained.  It affects many other books.

 

Removing something like this from the game should not be a unilateral decision from you without a valid consultation with the people concerned, the raiders and their "victims".  If the community agrees that Trained should go, then let's do that.  But removing trained because some clueless noobs could not understand how a level 11 raider attacked them with a lvl 14 sportshot is not a valid reason for fundamentally altering raiding. 

 

While I am here, I would like, without sarcasm, to ask if you have looked into the Rare-Recycler Bug?  I have asked about this for a few years and received no response.  When you put a rare item in the recycler, the time indicated is too low which screws up the calculations for aiming for 5 minutes. 


Edited by CasualRace, 16 November 2017 - 06:00 PM.

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#48
Ghost Recon

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I understand about the trained books being disabled because of the double book exploit but until the exploit is fixed I hope to see the trained books return to the dead zone.

 

Here is a list of books I believe are being exploited and I will be pointing these out

 

- How to specialize in resource, Combat, Survival, mission books: The reason why books are being exploited by equipping 2 books of same category   in the first place.

 

- 50% ammo conservationist book: players equipping 2 of them to get 0 ammo cost on missions and raids with high  ammo cost guns.

 

- 50% Union city Shortcuts book: players with no Death mobile upgrade  being able to equip 2  50% to get an instant return time(100%) home on missions in high level areas and this would kinda devalue  the  Death Mobile upgrade.

 

- 50% Crafting on the cheap book:  equipping 2 of these books make low fuel costs on crafts and upgrades.

 

- Boosting your experience book and Long ways from home books: players equipping 2 of these high  percentage XP books get level up much faster when completing missions and raids.


Edited by Ghost Recon, 16 November 2017 - 07:12 PM.

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#49
Maruse

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- 50% Crafting on the cheap book:  equipping 2 of these books make low fuel costs on crafts and upgrades.

 

Isn't crafting capped at 80%?


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#50
Ghost Recon

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Isn't crafting capped at 80%?

yes but for low fuel cost crafting and upgrading with lots of fuel


Edited by Ghost Recon, 16 November 2017 - 11:28 PM.

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#51
GameGirl

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Con, please, if you're not going to fix the bug at least start dropping the Trained books again. But how about you do both and stop this cheating please?

 


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#52
Maruse

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My question is this:  Since con has determined the stacking of trained to be an inequity why are these players that continue to abuse the situation knowingly still allowed to play when there is real evidence of intentional wrongdoing?

 

I have been wondering this for years dude. It's a mystery that is unsolvable.


Edited by Maruse, 21 November 2017 - 09:09 AM.

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#53
GameGirl

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I do realize the majority of dz players are facing a seeming drought and shortage of water in supermarkets but this is very serious and deserves equal and immediate attention.  Thanks.

 

Agreed. Maybe water wouldn't be so tough if it wasn't being looted by peeps using stacked trained books, lol. 


Please Con, can you tell us if you are close to a resolution for this? The trained books themselves are not the issue, and they are NOT currently disabled. This was not a problem until the game changed and allowed timed books to be removed prior to their expiration. The simple fix is to return it to being locked for the duration of the book. This will eliminate the ability to stack the books. Pretty please? :)


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#54
RainbowDash_Love

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Con

 

 

FIX IT

 

 

will ya?

 

 

Thanks


Edited by RainbowDash_Love, 23 November 2017 - 09:30 AM.

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#55
GameGirl

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Mostly, I just don't understand what satisfaction there is to be taken from a win that you had to CHEAT to get. Lots of trash talking about how she can beat me any time, yet she won't come back without double stacking books  and CHEATING by using  weapons that are 7-8 levels above, and STILL only barely makes it out with my flag before time, lol. 


Don't worry though, I WILL record and post EVERY cheating log and post it here until this is resolved.

 

 


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#56
morsmagnes3

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Gotta be a pure crappy raider if you need 5man using guns 7 levels higher to beat a defense lol


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#57
Ghost Recon

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Timed books need to be locked to the slot until the books timer runs out  this would stop people from equipping 2 books with the same title. im still shocked that the trained books are still being abused to equip higher level weapons and gear to raid compounds and steal flags too easily. This is cheating and I feel like its time for that player to be banned from the game and this book exploit need fixed.


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#58
GameGirl

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Over 3K views to this topic Con; with all due respect I think folks deserve a resolution once and for all. Please and thank you. :)


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#59
Con

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Thanks for the feedback. I'm looking at the specialisation books. Will have some sort of resolution in the near future.

 

Unfortunately the "don't allow books with the same name to be equipped" isn't as easy as it seems due to the data structure of the books and how they're stored in player inventories. We need to work on a level above that, so the solution is going to be trickier.

 

Edit:

Another note. All of the Trained books were timed to my knowledge. My hope by disabling drops and removing them from the store was that they'd dry up reasonably quickly. But it seems there's quite the stash of them out there.



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Cempa

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1st of all, I agree with Godzyra. People are talking more and more of how to exploit, using UCS, AC and what ever else..

 

2nd.. As Ghost Recon said... And I think many would agree with us on this one.. You shouldn`t fix what isn`t broken by looking in to specialization books.. Those are not broken and are very useful to those who play fair (using "Peak Oil" and "Handyman" or "Anatomy 101" and "Martial Law" for example)... What should be fixed is the ability to unequip the timed books (feature that worked for ~5 years), that isn`t necessary and is only making problems...

 

I hear that exploiters have stacked hundreds of Trained books... As soon as they found out that it`s possible they got all the Trained books there were.. And even now they are buying them..


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