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GameGirl

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Timed books need to be locked to the slot until the books timer runs out  this would stop people from equipping 2 books with the same title. im still shocked that the trained books are still being abused to equip higher level weapons and gear to raid compounds and steal flags too easily. This is cheating and I feel like its time for that player to be banned from the game and this book exploit need fixed.

 

Yes, there was a time when placing a timed book into the slot locked it from being removed or replaced until the book expired. Wouldn't it be easier to just return to this being the case? The only way to equip 2x the same title is when you replace another timed book with a duplicate title. Locking that first timed book in it's slot until it expires would fix this. 

 

Also, couldn't agree with Godzyra and Ghost Recon more. Perhaps if there were serious repercussions for cheating, folks might be less likely to try to manipulate the game to their advantage. 


Edited by GameGirl, 27 November 2017 - 07:26 PM.

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#62
darth chandra

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ALL of the people complaining are from the SAME Alliance Legion, they work together and their reason for this entire thread is NOT to make the game fair, nor to address a wrong. What they want is for con to ban ME, their opponent, because for some reason they believe I am such a danger to them. When in reality, I'm a FREE player UNLIKE some them. My game play is no where near the level of threat they claim here. The trained books were never the issue. the purpose here was to try to get con to do a witch hunt and ban their opponents. This entire Thread is an attempt by legion to CHEAT and have con remove their ONLY competition! And YES there is quite a stock pile of books out there. So all banning them did was give an even BIGGER advantage to those that have them! Taking advantage of glitches in the game is NOT cheating, it is built into the game. it may not be what was intended, but in a computer game you can not cheat, unless you somehow are able to change the programing. The melee exploit and reloads were also NOT game changers, they were legitimate game play. So I'm glad con did not buy into Legion's attempt to get their ONLY competition banned from the game. They do NOT represent the DZ community, they are in fact the bullies of the game, calling on con to help them bully weaker players. THAT is what this entire thread has been about, the worst thugs in the game created this thread to get con to help them bully the smaller alliances.............


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#63
Maruse

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 As for this guy Jasongms, I've never heard of him and if he used exploits then yes, he should have been banned. Everyone in L1N at that time who used exploits should have been banned as well, if they did.

 

Actually he only exposed the exploits people were secretly using but got the blame for using them instead.


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#64
darth chandra

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Godzyra you do NOT care about the game! This entire Thread is about trying to gain an advantage by getting me banned! You have NO interest in improving the game! If you did, then you would have posted your how to video months ago when you first made it! Instead you were using the video to train your own team's members how to use the exploit, then ONLY after other began using it did you report it to con. NOT because you wanted the exploit fixed, NOT because you wanted to improve the game, but because you did not want YOUR exploit, YOUR cheat used AGAINST you! Can't have anything in game that makes it FAIR? now can we? nobody asked YOU to be GOD and make the game better. Especially when the RESULT of your efforts has been to make the game WORSE! And yes you have used multiple accounts to gang up on me here, in order to make it appear that you represent the DZ community. 99% of the community wants the books, regardless of any exploits that do NOT have the impact you claim.


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GameGirl

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Godzyra you do NOT care about the game! This entire Thread is about trying to gain an advantage by getting me banned! You have NO interest in improving the game! If you did, then you would have posted your how to video months ago when you first made it! Instead you were using the video to train your own team's members how to use the exploit, then ONLY after other began using it did you report it to con. NOT because you wanted the exploit fixed, NOT because you wanted to improve the game, but because you did not want YOUR exploit, YOUR cheat used AGAINST you! Can't have anything in game that makes it FAIR? now can we? nobody asked YOU to be GOD and make the game better. Especially when the RESULT of your efforts has been to make the game WORSE! And yes you have used multiple accounts to gang up on me here, in order to make it appear that you represent the DZ community. 99% of the community wants the books, regardless of any exploits that do NOT have the impact you claim.


If you cared about this game you would stop exploiting it, and learn to play fair instead of cheating to win. As you JUST did all while replying to this forum, again. TODAY attacking my compound with weapons 5-6 levels above you. Stop stacking the books and all this stops. It is YOU who has no interest in improving the game, only undermining the rules and trying to justify your need to cheat to win. Why are you so afraid to play fair and use the trained books as intended?


Edited by GameGirl, 27 November 2017 - 11:09 PM.

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#66
GameGirl

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Why should she even do whatever you want her to do?

"Stop stacking the books and all this stops?" ...is that a threat? So whomever doesn't do what you command gets to be targeted and bullied on the public forums? Do you have any idea what exploiting actually means? There's no exploit if the game allows it, nobody twisted the game so they'd win! That's why I never screamed against the melee exploiters either. If the game allows it then it's not my place to tell players they shouldn't use it.

More over you seem to easily go over the fact that the video of the so called exploit was posted by YOUR alliance! Not chandra, not anybody else. YOU! So it was out there yet you kept it quiet as long as the others didn't know it. Making the game better my ass! 


I apologize, by "all this" I meant all this drama and debate.

As for it being posted by MY alli, it was done so to illustrate how it is happening to help solve the problem. Nothing more. Stop blaming Gab who is not only no cheat, is barely around the game these days. 


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#67
Cempa

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We really don't have to believe ANY of that do we? As we don't have to believe anything of what you say just because you say it. For all I know you plotted into looking as if hey, you just discovered this then one of yours shows up with the video. Actually, knowing your group pretty well (unfortunately) I tend to believe this is the case! Other wise, if you saw a glitch in game, you could have just emailed it to the devs! But no, why not start a whole argument in here where you get to clearly target a single player in the game as if chandra is the master of all holy exploits and she and only she knew about this (but then the video shows that plenty others did!) and act like the all mighty gods of DZ who are here to show us the light. As long as we all play nice and do what they say we should, of course! Let me just be blunt: I don't believe a word you say. None! And I wanted to tell you this personally for a while now: you're not worth it! .. .either!

 

Tana, maybe, if you were to read from the start you would have known that GameGirl did send an e-mail to the devs.. And not only one e-mail.. She sent 2... And please stop trying to get this post locked... You are just making yourselves look worse in the eyes of about 80% of the Dead Zone players...

 

PS: Let`s just leave it at this.. Please.


Edited by Cempa, 27 November 2017 - 11:53 PM.

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CasualRace

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So, if I understand this correctly, Con has decided to deal with the problem of stacked books (of which there are several varieties) by drying up the supply of one kind, Trained.  And now he is surprised that people have large stocks of these books because there was apparently a failure to understand that Trained books are an integral part of raiding and not simply an exploit used by a few bad apples.  Additionally, the solution to the bug, which affects many types of books, is to eliminate Trained altogether.

 

This comes back to my comment from last month.  This is a unilateral decision and a poor decision.  There have been one or two voices against Trained.  Those who are most vociferously complaining are not finding fault with Trained books per se, but with the EXPLOITATION of a bug.  The bug is not our fault.  It is a developer-side issue.  Most players want to keep Trained but they want the Trained exploit eliminated. 

 

Players are not complaining about double book exploits using Ooh, Shiny or LWH or any other PVE books because, while it's "not cricket", it doesn't directly affect them.

 

Con, it would be a great disappointment to the raiding community if you continued with your decision to eliminate Trained.  Why not eliminate LR's or armor since they make raiding easier as well?  I don't understand your point of view.  You have not explained why Trained are bad or why you think they are unfair or badly designed. 

 

p.s. Any news on the Rare Recycler Bug?


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#69
Lana Woo

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So, if I understand this correctly, Con has decided to deal with the problem of stacked books (of which there are several varieties) by drying up the supply of one kind, Trained.  And now he is surprised that people have large stocks of these books because there was apparently a failure to understand that Trained books are an integral part of raiding and not simply an exploit used by a few bad apples.  Additionally, the solution to the bug, which affects many types of books, is to eliminate Trained altogether.

 

As I see it, the "drying up" of the Trained book was intended to be a temporary solution, not a permanent one.

 

The reason why the "temporarily disabled" thing didn't work was because the Trained book stores the boost in the inventory, so the exploit would continue as long as people has the book and Con does not find a permanent solution. As I understand it, Con was trying to buy some time to fix this issue by preventing the book from dropping (since disabling it was not possible), hence the comment that it was taking longer than expected.

 

 

Players are not complaining about double book exploits using Ooh, Shiny or LWH or any other PVE books because, while it's "not cricket", it doesn't directly affect them.

 

Correct. The Trained book is perhaps the only one that can be used to influence other players directly (both in raids and in alliance wars), hence the focus on it. Personally I don't think the Trained book will be eliminated (at least not after all the feedback given in this thread), but the permanent solution will apparently take long, so I wouldn't expect the Trained book to drop anytime soon.


Edited by Lana Woo, 30 November 2017 - 03:03 PM.

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CasualRace

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Lana,  My read on this is that Con does not like Trained and intends to get rid of it.  As he wrote in this thread. "Overall I think the Trained book is bad for PVP anyway, we have had a lot of reports in the past from raid victims where a single trained book was used against them and they were extremely confused." 

 

He has not explained why he thinks Trained is bad.  Nor has he quantified "lots" or described the player involved.  If the player was confused by being attacked by someone using higher level weapons (i.e. using a Trained book), then the complainer is the problem, not the book.  In five years of playing, I have never had a single person whine about me using a Trained nor have heard a comment about it outside this thread.

 

It seems to me that if Con is really making an effort to fix this bug, it's because he wants to eliminate Trained anyway.  If he recognizes that there are huge stashes of Trained out there, does that mean he will wait a year before fixing the bug?  I don't get it.  Personally, I have about one hundred trained across my accounts so I am set for months and months.  I know I am not alone in this.  So removing them from the store and eliminating drops won't solve the problem.

 

But I still want to know what is so wrong with Trained.  The views of raiders would be welcome and not those who don't raid.


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#71
CasualRace

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I understand the problem.  I also don't recall reading anything from Con saying he spent so much time responding to individuals.


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#72
Lana Woo

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Lana,  My read on this is that Con does not like Trained and intends to get rid of it.  As he wrote in this thread. "Overall I think the Trained book is bad for PVP anyway, we have had a lot of reports in the past from raid victims where a single trained book was used against them and they were extremely confused." 

 

It's true, but that comment was before the feedback. I don't feel is the case now, since Con said the solution will be more in the Specialization Books:

 

Thanks for the feedback. I'm looking at the specialisation books. Will have some sort of resolution in the near future.

 

 

My point is that everyone made perfectly clear that they do not want the Trained book gone, and that Con's latest comment refers to the "drying up" of the book in the context I explained earlier, not to the total disappearance of the book. If it helps, I see it as two issues: the "Trained is bad for raiding" one and the "We'll disable Trained to buy some time to fix this issue" one; the first one is forgotten after the feedback, but the second one is still an issue in account of the impossibility of disabling the book and the number of them still in circulation.

 

Of course, I cannot confirm this interpretation (only Con can), but that's the way I understand it. There's always the possibility that I'm wrong about this.


Edited by Lana Woo, 02 December 2017 - 08:48 PM.

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Forsaken

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Bump, this book with same name stacking bug is still not fixed. I would also like to know if Trained books ever come back or that they will be gone forever. Since Trained books are not the real issue here, but the bug of stacking of books with the same name, I don't understand why Trained books are still disabled till this very day. 


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Forsaken

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Bump.


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#75
Ghost Recon

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even im still wondering if that book is going to return so far the lack of communication  from the developers since 2018. Since the book stacking exploit still not fixed a lot of the raiders on kong want that book brought back. Disabling the Trained books dont stop the book exploit,  


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#76
Forsaken

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Bump.


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#77
Forsaken

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Another month has almost passed, time for another bump. Don't forget about it please...


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#78
GameGirl

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Just checking in on this again.

PLEASE fix the double stack issue and start dropping trained books again. Now, only those willing to spend prems to buy books are able to obtain them.

Please, why is it so hard to revert to the way it used to be? Where timed books locked the slots until they expired and could not be replaced?


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darth chandra

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LOOK This is a WAR game, and in this game MONEY buys power! Those willing to spend FUEL is spending MONEY. Buying the best weapons and gear is also MONEY. So why are Trained books any different? Simply embrace the books as an acceptable use of MONEY. the best books cost 600 fuel or came with the fuel packs. HELLO CON, have you noticed we buy a lot less FUEL PACKS NOW? The 6 day trained books were the reason we used to buy more. We used the books and the Fuel to RAID. Notice the scores on the war game are way down?. taking these books away has lead to many people quitting the game. why spend money on it if you  change the rules and make it so money buys no advantage?


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darth chandra

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does no one think that perhaps con wanted to allow double stacked books? Why are you AGAINST double craft books or ammo books? If you spend $300 or 150 prem keys on the best gun, how is that any different then someone buying fuel packs, using the trained books and burning fuel? THAT is what makes con MONEY and it's what drove the game. All your whining, THIS THREAD killed the DZ. have you not noticed there are very few people here now? This rule change ONLY helped Legion, and because con made this UNFAIR rule change, the game is now DYING!


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