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President Bongo

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I was saving up Fuel to craft some Swords, when CON announced the new content will be out before Christmas. I realised that anything I Craft (or find) will be fairly useless compared to even Greens at level 45, so I shifted my play style to maximise finding Fuel and Books, and away from Crafting and finding Uniques.

 

I wasn’t paying close attention but I estimate that I was finding about 50 to 70 Fuel per day and 20 from my Generator (40 every other day). Then about three weeks ago it seemed like my Fuel finds dropped by 50% overnight. I can’t prove how much Fuel I was finding before the Thanksgiving event, but I can prove how much I am finding now, and it’s a pathetic 30 per day NO MATTER HOW MUCH I PLAY.

 

So I started keeping track of how much Fuel I found, when and where I found it. Then I took out my Peak Oil 18% (since it seems useless) for four days, and then tried some Peak Oil 50% (22hrs) for another 4 days. And these are my results:

 

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NOTE: Each point is a SET of missions completed in one hour, usually 3 to 5 level 30+ manual missions, and occasionally 10 low level auto missions to get Ammo. The divots below zero are missions sets that yielded no fuel so they can be more easily seen.

 

RESULTS:

 

1. There is a daily Fuel limit of 30:

 

Once you get 30 Fuel (unless you equip a Peak Oil) you WILL NEVER GET MORE FUEL NO MATTER HOW MANY MISSIONS YOU PLAY. If you are playing for Fuel (like me) you might as well quit and come back when the new ‘day’ starts. I’m ABSOLUTELY SURE that this was recently reduced from about 60 per day.

 

2. Fuel finds are on a fixed day irregardless of how or when you play:

 

When I started, I was logging days at midnight PST (my local time), but by the third day it was glaringly obvious that there was something ‘magical’ about 4:00 PM. Finely timed experiments showed that the exact time that my chances of finding Fuel ‘reset’ was about 4:20 PM PST. I guess this corresponds with GMT (aka UTC), plus about 20 minutes to clear out people who started missions at 3:59 PST (11:59 GMT).

 

3. Low level Peak Oils are almost totally useless:

 

With one small anomaly, a Peak Oil 18% yielded NO REAL FUEL BENEFITS. I suspect that this might be because Fuel only comes in units of 10, and ALL Peak Oils lower than 34% would add less than 10 fuel to the already paltry 30 daily allotment. When the daily limit was 60(ish)  this was less of a problem. Notice how the extra fuel is not rounded up or down, but instead floored. Before I started the chart I had about 5 days of napkin notes and every day was 30 Fuel WITH a peak oil 18%,

 

4. High percent Peak Oils LOWER your chances of finding Fuel while INCREASING your daily maximum:

 

Without Peak Oils I would get my 30 Fuel in one set of missions exactly at 4:20. Sometimes I would get all 30 in ONE MISSION, then NOTHING even if I ran fifty more missions that day. With Peak Oil 50% I noticed that I would find MORE Fuel daily, but it would take me MORE missions to find it all, sometimes 3 or even 4 sets over 4 to 6 hours.

 

5. A timed Peak Oil can be stretched across TWO different ‘game days’:

 

Since I was doing my timed Peak Oils in late evening/early morning but my local ‘game days’ were at 4:00 PM I also noticed that timed Peak Oils that spanned two ‘game days” would give a bonus IN BOTH of those days. In the chart this can be seen from me activating a Peak Oil 50% AFTER I hit my daily Fuel allotment, and then getting my bonus Fuel. Look at the raw data and compare it to the chart. It happens 4 times in a row. If you don’t span your timed Peak Oils across two ‘game days’ (and play during both of them) then you are cheating yourself .

 

6. Two timed Peak Oils can be used in the SAME ‘game day’.

 

If a timed Peak Oil expires during a ‘game day’ it seems as though the game thinks the Fuel you found is reduced to the daily max of 30. If you then activate ANOTHER timed Peak Oil, it will again raise your maximum findable fuel minus that 30. You are NOT penalized for using two timed Peak Oils in the same ‘game day’. Notice that the day I got 70 fuel was from two DIFFERENT Peak Oil 50% being activated (and played) at different times during that day.

 

7. The Fuel Generator has NO effect on daily Fuel found:

 

At first I though this might be my problem, but varying when I collected from my Fuel Generator (before or after daily max found) made no difference. (I took my Fuel Dump times out of the raw data since it was irrelevant and misleading.)

 

8. Maybe it’s just me? :

 

I have considered that something has changed so that ONLY I have 30 findable fuel per day, while most other people still have 60. The only three things that come to mind is that:

 

* I am now using the White Flag

* When I started the chart I had over 1300 Fuel.

* I now have a Fuel Generator (before I didn’t)

 

If you get punished with less daily Fuel finds for things like these it would be nice for CON to mention that. I would rather find 30 more fuel per day than have to bother with the stupid Fuel Generator which only gives 20 more. Raiders never bothered me when I DIDN’T EVEN HAVE a fuel generator. :P

 

9. Other Other thoughts:

 

I wonder if other ‘limited’ things like Uniques follow the same ‘game day’ formula. Keep in mind (from what I’ve read) every time you find a Blue or Purple, there is a FIXED chance it will be ‘promoted’ to a Rare or Unique, So all you have to do is keep track of your Blues/Purples and note when you get more or less. Maybe that will be my next project (after I go outside in the sun a little bit.)

 

10. Questions for CON and other players:

 

It would be nice if CON answered #8. I’ve read a lot of threads lately about people noting that about three weeks ago Uniques suddenly got more rare and crafting became more difficult. Is this a systemic ‘crudifying’ of the game or perhaps a minor oversight in the random number generator, or people just being paranoid? (Although I’m SURE the daily findable was decreased.)

 

I’d also love to know from other players if you too are only FINDING 30 fuel per day, or 60ish, and if so, are you using the White Flag, Low Peak Oils, and/or have a lot of stored Fuel?


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President Bongo

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RAW DATA (just in case you thought I might be making this up)

FORMAT: time, level, location, fuel, (comments)

 

Day, 1, (Thursday, Nov, 28)

 

19:00, 34, Street, 10, (BEGIN, 18%, Peak, Oil)

19:00, 33, Subway, 10,

19:00, 34, Suburban, Street, 10,

19:00, 34, Suburban, Street, 0,

23:00, 33, Large, Subway, 0,

23:00, 32, Gun, Store, 0,

23:00, 35, Highway, 0,

23:00, 35, Large, Park, 0,

 

Day, 2, (Friday, Nov, 29)

 

01:00, 34, , Security, 0,

01:00, 32, Police, Station, 0,

01:00, 33, Large, Park, 0,

01:00, 35, Military, Base, 0,

04:00, 34, Street, 0,

04:00, 33, Small, Street, 0,

04:00, 33, Highway, 0,

04:00, 34, Depot, 0

07:00, 32, Suburban, Street, 0

07:00, 32, Street, 0

07:00, 32, Street, 0

07:00, 32, Security, 0

07:00, 30, Gun, Store, 0

09:00, 31, Large, , Subway, 0

09:00, 31, Subway, 0

09:00, 33, Hospital, 0

09:00, 33, Military, Base, 0

14:00, 32, Depot, 0

14:00, 31, Hospital, 0

14:00, 31, Small, Street, 0

14:00, 30, Police, Station, 0

14:00, 29, Security, 0

16:00, 30, Highway, 0

16:00, 30, Large, Park, 0

16:00, 30, Military, Base, 30

16:00, 29, Street, 0

19:00, 34, Suburban, Street, 0

19:00, 34, Suburban, Street, 0

19:00, 34, Street, 0

19:00, 33, Subway, 0

 

Day, 3, (Saturday, Nov, 30)

 

02:00, 34, Security, 0

02:00, 33, Large, Subway, 0

02:00, 27, Military, Base, 0

02:00, 32, Gun, Store, 0

02:00, 27, Gun, Store, 0

06:00, 20, Street, 0

06:00, 20, Street, 0

06:00, 20, Street, 0

06:00, 20, Street, 0

06:00, 20, Security, 0

16:00, 35, Highway, 10

16:00, 35, Large, Park, 20

16:00, 35, Military, Base, 0

22:00, 34, Suburban, Street, 0

22:00, 34, Street, 10

22:00, 34, Suburban, Street, 0

22:00, 32, Police, Station, 0

 

Day, 4, (Sunday, Dec, 1)

 

03:00, 34, Security, 0

03:00, 34, Street, 0

03:00, 33, Highway, 0

03:00, 33, Large, Park, 0

06:00, 11, Street, 0

06:00, 11, Street, 0

06:00, 11, Street, 0

06:00, 11, Security, 0

06:00, 11, Security, 0

06:00, 11, Security, 0

06:00, 10, Small, Street, 0

06:00, 9, Street, 0

07:00, 33, Large, Subway, 0

07:00, 33, Subway, 0

07:00, 33, Small, Street, 0

07:00, 32, Gun, Store, 0

07:00, 32, Security, 0

10:00, 32, Suburban, Street, 0

10:00, 32, Street, 0

10:00, 32, Street, 0

10:00, 30, Police, Station, 0

10:00, 30, Military, Base, 0

16:00, 35, Highway, 30

16:00, 35, Large, Park, 0

16:00, 33, Military, Base, 0,

16:00, 30, Gun, Store, 0,

19:00, 33, Hospital, 0,

19:00, 34, Depot, 0,

19:00, 31, Large, Subway, 0,

19:00, 35, Military, Base, 0, (END, 18%, Peak, Oil)

 

Day, 5, (Monday, Dec, 2)

 

04:00, 34, Suburban, Street, 0, (BEGIN, NO, Peak, Oil)

04:00, 34, Suburban, Street, 0,

04:00, 33, Highway, 0,

04:00, 33, Large, Park, 0,

07:00, 34, Street, 0,

07:00, 34, Street, 0,

07:00, 33, Subway, 0,

07:00, 34, Security, 0,

07:00, 32, Police, Station, 0,

10:00, 12, Street, 0, (auto)

10:00, 12, Street, 0, (auto)

10:00, 12, Street, 0, (auto)

10:00, 12, Street, 0, (auto)

10:00, 12, Security, 0, (auto)

10:00, 11, Street, 0, (auto)

10:00, 11, Street, 0, (auto)

10:00, 11, Street, 0, (auto)

10:00, 11, Security, 0, (auto)

10:00, 11, Small, Street, 0, (auto)

12:00, 33, Large, Subway, 0,

12:00, 33, Small, Street, 0,

12:00, 32, Suburban, Street, 0,

12:00, 30, Large, Park, 0,

16:00, 35, Highway, 20,

16:00, 35, Large, Park, 0,

16:00, 32, Gun, Store, 10,

16:00, 34, Street, 0

19:00, 33, Hospital, 0

19:00, 32, Street, 0

19:00, 34, Depot, 0

19:00, 35, Military, Base, 0

22:00, 32, Security, 0

22:00, 31, Large, Subway, 0

22:00, 31, Subway, 0

22:00, 31, Small, Street, 0

22:00, 30, Gun, Store, 0

 

Day, 6, (Tuesday, Dec, 3)

 

03:00, 32, Depot, 0

03:00, 34, Suburban, Street, 0

03:00, 34, Suburban, Street, 0

03:00, 33, Military, Base, 0

06:00, 33, Large, Park, 0

06:00, 33, Highway, 0

06:00, 30, Police, Station, 0,

06:00, 30, Military, Base, 0,

09:00, 31, Hospital, 0,

09:00, 30, Highway, 0,

09:00, 29, Suburban, Street, 0,

09:00, 29, Suburban, Street, 0,

09:00, 29, Security, 0,

16:00, 35, Large, Park, 20,

16:00, 35, Highway, 0,

16:00, 34, Street, 10,

16:00, 34, Street, 0,

21:00, 33, Large, Subway, 0,

21:00, 34, Security, 0,

21:00, 34, Depot, 0,

21:00, 35, Military, Base, 0

 

Day, 7, (Wednesday, Dec, 4)

 

00:00, 33, Subway, 0,

00:00, 33, Small, Street, 0

00:00, 32, Police, Station, 0

00:00, 32, Suburban, Street, 0

00:00, 32, Security, 0

03:00, 34, Suburban, Street, 0

03:00, 34, Suburban, Street, 0

03:00, 32, Street, 0

03:00, 33, Military, Base, 0

07:00, 32, Depot, 0

07:00, 30, Gun, Store, 0

07:00, 33, Highway, 0

07:00, 33, Large, Park, 0

14:00, 33, Hospital, 0

14:00, 32, Gun, Store, 0

14:00, 32, Street, 0

14:00, 31, Large, Subway, 0

14:00, 30, Police, Station, 0,

17:00, 34, Street, 0,

17:00, 34, Street, 30,

17:00, 35, Highway, 0,

17:00, 35, Large, Park, 0,

20:00, 33, Large, Subway, 0,

20:00, 34, Security, 0,

20:00, 34, Depot, 0,

20:00, 30, Military, Base, 0,

20:00, 27, Gun, Store, 0,

22:00, 31, Subway, 0,

22:00, 31, Small, Street, 0,

22:00, 30, Large, Park, 0,

22:00, 35, Military, Base, 0

 

Day, 8, (Thursday, Dec, 5)

 

01:00, 33, Subway, 0,

01:00, 33, Small, Street, 0,

01:00, 32, Police, Station, 0,

01:00, 32, Security, 0,

01:00, 27, Military, Base, 0,

12:00, 32, Suburban, Street, 0,

12:00, 32, Street, 0,

12:00, 32, Depot, 0,

12:00, 30, Gun, Store, 0,

12:00, 29, Security, 0,

15:00, 33, Hospital, 0,

15:00, 32, Street, 0,

15:00, 33, Highway, 0,

15:00, 33, Military, Base, 0,

17:00, 35, Highway, 20,

17:00, 34, Street, 10,

17:00, 35, Large, Park, 0,

20:00, 34, Security, 0,

20:00, 34, Street, 0,

20:00, 34, Suburban, Street, 0,

20:00, 33, Large, Park, 0,

22:00, 12, Street, 0, (auto)

22:00, 12, Street, 0, (auto)

22:00, 12, Street, 0, (auto)

22:00, 12, Street, 0, (auto)

22:00, 12, Security, 0, (auto)

22:00, 11, Hospital, 0, (auto)

22:00, 11, Small, Street, 0, (auto)

22:00, 11, Street, 0, (auto)

22:00, 11, Street, 0, (auto)

22:00, 11, Street, 0, (auto,, END, NO, Peak, Oil)

 

Day, 9, (Friday, Dec, 6)

 

01:00, 34, Suburban, Street, 10, (BEGIN, Peak, Oil, 50%, 22, hrs)

01:00, 35, Military, Base, 0,

01:00, 33, Large, Subway, 0,

01:00, 32, Police, Station, 0

04:00, 34, Depot, 0

04:00, 33, Subway, 0

04:00, 30, Highway, 0

04:00, 30, Military, Base, 0

07:00, 33, Small, Street, 0

07:00, 32, Gun, Store, 0

07:00, 31, Large, Subway, 0

07:00, 31, Subway, 0

07:00, 30, Police, Station, 0

16:00, 33, Highway, 0

16:00, 32, Suburban, Street, 0

16:00, 32, Street, 0

16:00, 32, Street, 0

18:00, 35, Large, Park, 20

18:00, 35, Highway, 10

18:00, 33, Military, Base, 10,

21:00, 33, Hospital, 0,

21:00, 34, Street, 0,

21:00, 34, Suburban, Street, 0,

21:00, 33, Large, Park, 0, (END, Peak, Oil, 50%, 22hrs)

 

Day, 10, (Saturday, Dec, 7)

 

05:00, 34, Suburban, Street, 0, (BEGIN, Peak, Oil, 50%, 22hrs)

05:00, 34, Street, 10,

05:00, 33, Subway, 0,

05:00, 35, Military, Base, 0,

08:00, 34, Depot, 0,

08:00, 33, Large, Subway, 0,

08:00, 30, Large, Park, 0,

08:00, 33, Small, Street, 0,

16:00, 34, Security, 20,

16:00, 33, Highway, 0,

16:00, 32, Police, Station, 0,

16:00, 34, Large, Warehouse, 0,

19:00, 35, Highway, 0,

19:00, 35, Large, Park, 10,

19:00, 33, Military, Base, 20,

21:00, 34, Suburban, Street, 10,

21:00, 34, Street, 0,

21:00, 32, Street, 0,

21:00, 33, Large, Park, 0

 

Day, 11, (Sunday, Dec, 8)

 

03:00, 33, Hospital, 0,

03:00, 32, Gun, Store, 0,

03:00, 32, Street, 0,

03:00, 31, Subway, 0,

03:00, 30, Gun, Store, 0, (END, Peak, Oil, 50%, 22hrs)

07:00, 34, Suburban, Street, 0, (BEGIN, Peak, Oil, 50%, 22hrs)

07:00, 34, Street, 0,

07:00, 33, Subway, 10,

07:00, 35, Military, Base, 0,

09:00, 33, Large, Subway, 0,

09:00, 33, Small, Street, 0,

09:00, 30, Large, Park, 0,

09:00, 30, Military, Base, 0,

12:00, 31, Large, Subway, 0,

12:00, 32, Suburban, Street, 0,

12:00, 31, Small, Street, 0,

12:00, 32, Security, 0,

12:00, 30, Police, Station, 0,

14:00, 12, Street, 0, (auto)

14:00, 12, Street, 0, (auto)

14:00, 12, Street, 0, (auto)

14:00, 12, Street, 0, (auto)

14:00, 12, Security, 0, (auto)

14:00, 11, Small, Street, 0, (auto)

14:00, 11, Street, 0, (auto)

14:00, 11, Street, 0, (auto)

14:00, 11, Street, 0, (auto)

14:00, 11, Security, 0, (auto)

16:00, 34, Depot, 0,

16:00, 32, Police, Station, 30,

16:00, 34, Security, 10,

16:00, 33, Highway, 0,

19:00, 35, Large, Park, 0,

19:00, 35, Highway, 0,

19:00, 30, Highway, 0,

19:00, 27, Military, Base, 0,

21:00, 34, Street, 0,

21:00, 34, Suburban, Street, 0,

21:00, 33, Large, Park, 0,

21:00, 33, Military, Base, 0

 

Day, 12, (Monday, Dec, 9)

 

01:00, 11, Security, 0, (auto)

01:00, 11, Security, 0, (auto)

01:00, 10, Large, Supermarket, 0, (auto)

01:00, 10, Large, Supermarket, 0, (auto)

01:00, 10, Small, Street, 0, (auto)

01:00, 10, Hospital, 0, (auto)

01:00, 10, Small, Warehouse, 0, (auto)

01:00, 9, Supermarket, 0, (auto)

01:00, 9, Store, 0, (auto)

01:00, 9, Store, 0, (auto)

02:00, 32, Street, 0,

02:00, 32, Street, 0,

02:00, 31, Subway, 0,

02:00, 30, Gun, Store, 0,

02:00, 27, Police, Station, 0,

04:00, 29, Suburban, Street, 0,

04:00, 29, Suburban, Street, 0,

04:00, 29, Suburban, Street, 0,

04:00, 29, Security, 0,

04:00, 27, Gun, Store, 0, (END, Peak, Oil, 50%, 22hrs)

09:00, 34, Street, 10, (BEGIN, Peak, Oil, 50%, 22hrs)

09:00, 33, Subway, 10,

09:00, 34, Suburban, Street, 0,

09:00, 35, Military, Base, 0,

11:00, 33, Small, Street, 0,

11:00, 32, Gun, Store, 0,

11:00, 32, Suburban, Street, 0,

11:00, 29, Street, 0,

11:00, 30, Police, Station, 0,

16:00, 32, Police, Station, 20,

16:00, 33, Large, Subway, 10,

16:00, 34, Depot, 0,

16:00, 30, Military, Base, 0

21:00, 34, Street, 0

21:00, 35, Large, Park, 10

21:00, 35, Highway, 0

21:00, 34, Security, 0

23:00, 34, Suburban, Street, 10

23:00, 33, Hospital, 10

23:00, 33, Large, Park, 0

23:00, 33, Military, Base, 0

 

Day, 13, (Tuesday, Dec, 10)

 

03:00, 32, Street, 0

03:00, 32, Street, 0

03:00, 31, Large, Subway, 0

03:00, 32, Security, 0

03:00, 30, Gun, Store, 0

06:00, 33, Highway, 0

06:00, 31, Subway, 0

06:00, 31, Small, Street, 0,

06:00, 29, Security, 0,

06:00, 27, Military, Base, 0, (END, Peak, Oil, 50%, 22hrs)


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Anderill

Anderill
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I can only say that while this is some good data, I think the cap is 30 fuel per mission, because I have within the past day or two (using a 16% peak) got  30 from one mission then 10 from another. 

 

Also: Before using the 16% I was only getting a max of 20 fuel every two days, after using it I have gotten much more. I have no proof or results like you, these are just my experiences.


Edited by Anderill, 10 December 2013 - 05:55 PM.

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JonCorleone

JonCorleone
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Everyday I run five autos to high level areas (I don't play as hard as you guys).
With a 25% peak oil (perm), I get at least 20 fuel with 30 fuel coming every so often (~50% of the time).
Just adding my stats.
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Takata

Takata
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Fuel is capped and reseted daily.... it's been like that since I'm playing this game (about 1 year).
Time of reset is 0000 UTC.

I always will find my daily 'fuel ration' during the first 10 auto-missions launched after a fuel reset, in one or two places.... no matter if I'll sent 100 or 500 more this day, I won't find anymore fuel until past 0000 UTC the next day.... :)

I can't discuss the numbers and books as I don't care that much about checking that closely (so far).



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President Bongo

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I started saving fuel for the Z-Maz + New Content. Con said it was going to be up to level 45, and new Gear, Schematics, and Weapons. Unfortunately,  they missed their own deadline and there is only two level 41 buildings (and four level 40), and NO NEW GEAR and NO NEW SCHEMATICS. So I'm still just saving fuel. I don't want to blow 2000 Fuel crafting level 35 Weapons and Gear only to have them be worthless in a few weeks.

 

I really want to see if I find more fuel after my reserves go down, or if CON nerfed it for everybody in late November. I've only been saving Fuel for a month and there's NO WAY I could get to 3,000 at 50 a day (30 found, 20 made) in that time unless found Fuel was a lot more in the recent past.

 

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One interesting update is the use of 'Looters'. On the Book it will often say "reduces CHANCE of finding Fuel by 10% to 30%". After using up about 5 low quality Looters I've noticed two things about this book in relation to finding Fuel.

 

1. Like Peak Oil it doesn't affect your chance (much) but rather your MAX DAILY LIMIT FOR FUEL FOUND.

 

2. Like Peak Oil ANY percentage on the Looter will be rounded down. For peak Oil this makes anything less than 34% WORTHLESS, but for Looters ANY percentage (even -1%) will decrease your daily found Fuel by 10. Any Percentage over 34% will decrease your daily found Fuel by 20.

 

3. Even though the Looter only lasts 20 minutes the effect on your daily found Fuel will LAST UNTIL THE DAY RESETS at 00:00 UTC (4:00 pm PST).

 

4. If you find your 30 daily Fuel THEN use a Looter it will have no effect.

 

5. I suspect that Looters and Peak Oils will cancel each other out, but if your 'chance' of finding Fuel is even -1% you will only find 10 LESS Fuel that day. So find your Fuel, THEN use your looter(s). and don't use Peak Oils (especially temp 50%) until a new game day starts.

 

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I hope this info helps anybody trying to save up Fuel like me.

 

(Note to CON: I'd pay 1500 Fuel for an extra Book Slot. Just saying :P)


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justinsr316

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there are some new schematics. None for any new weapons yet but higher lvl schematics. I will give a full list of the ones found so far for me later but off of the top of my head, I have found lvl 39 purple armor schem, lvl 36 mp10 blue, don't remember the lvl but a blue psg schem, and one other lvl 36 blue. Will update later for you if needed, if you meant schems for new weapons only then my mistake and i won't update.


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President Bongo

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You are right. I noticed a Level 37 PSG1 and a level 39 (raiding) Armor in my Crafting page. I didn't notice because I sort them by Damage Per Second (DPS) and no new Schem I've found beats the Level 36 Crafted P-90s I already have. Even if there are some new Schems I expect the Level 45 content (that they SAID was coming out) will be along soon, making them worthless. Even the found Blue/Purple Level 41 L86-A2s I've found are only 10 DPS more (295 DPS, with +10% Damage, +15% Accuracy Tracers) better than my Crafted P-90s (285 DPS, with +25% Accuracy Glasses).


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