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Sociopath

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In alliances it should be possible to exchange stuff for free between the stronger players and the weaker members to grow together as a community. please CON, show us you love us to play the game and build community without paying for everything. alliance members should be able to support each others for free. community binds players to the game and this will payout for you too.


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Zingman

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No.  it would be too prone to exploitation.

 

Edit:  also wrong sub-forum


Edited by Zingman, 06 June 2014 - 07:27 PM.

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Sociopath

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Edited by Sociopath, 06 June 2014 - 07:48 PM.

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Sociopath

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well, thank you for your answer. but in my opinion you are paranoid. of course every solution to strengthen community could be abused. but to deny community in browser games cause a slowly dying. I respect your experience which made you that bitter but try to see the light. in fact it is always a small number of players who cheat. to lose the generally trust in the honesty of the customers means giving up the whole thing. I feel sad for you standing at this point.


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Zingman

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It's not me being paranoid.  It's what Con himself has said.

 

Why does trading cost fuel?

The cost tied to trading is to stem the flow of trade that would happen if it was free, also to stop harassment from lower level players as they beg for resources.

 

Given the rate at which you get weapons/gear/resources at high levels, I'm inclined to agree with him.  If a high level player was able to dump all their resources/supplies on a lower level account it would be game breaking imho.


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Sociopath

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okay, but I am not used to follow developers opinions like  an addicted follows his guru. in my personal opinion in this game the strengh of community is underestimated. and I don't think that it is "harassment from lower level players" if they ask for support. I believe you don't get the meaning of community at all. in a community nobody has to "beg". we are an alliance. we share stuff to grow together. sharing gains unity. unity gains strengh. lets watch this situation from a complete different position. imagine you are a real survivor in a real apocalypse. you have a community / an alliance. you have two weapons. a stronger and a weaker one. a brother next to you has no weapon. so you rather waste the weaker weapon than giving it to your brother? good night human race.
unserstand what I suggest. I don't ask for free exchange of everything to everyone. trading with the cost of fuel among players seems legit to me. but between alliance brothers the exchange of weapons and gear should be able for free.


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LLiquid

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okay, but I am not used to follow developers opinions like  an addicted follows his guru. in my personal opinion in this game the strengh of community is underestimated. and I don't think that it is "harassment from lower level players" if they ask for support. I believe you don't get the meaning of community at all. in a community nobody has to "beg". we are an alliance. we share stuff to grow together. sharing gains unity. unity gains strengh. lets watch this situation from a complete different position. imagine you are a real survivor in a real apocalypse. you have a community / an alliance. you have two weapons. a stronger and a weaker one. a brother next to you has no weapon. so you rather waste the weaker weapon than giving it to your brother? good night human race.
unserstand what I suggest. I don't ask for free exchange of everything to everyone. trading with the cost of fuel among players seems legit to me. but between alliance brothers the exchange of weapons and gear should be able for free.

 

Computer games are not real life

 

Accusing other people (who have been very reasonable) of being an addict will not win you friends

 

Playing a browser game with other people does not make you brothers

 

Many players have alternate accounts they use for raiding at lower levels. If you put some of these in the same alliance (which is very common) you are giving the lower leveled account "free" access to high powered weapons (for example, Vintage M24's which no longer drop)

 

Trading costs fuel. Those are the rules, deal with it or move on.


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Sociopath

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of course, things are like this because they used to be like this. if you don't follow go away. this remembers me to some fascist arguments. no personal offens intended, but you don't answer to my question and you are not able to understand the meaning of my post. I am not stupid and able to see the difference between RL and a game. please open your mind, watch around your blinkers and get the point: don't see cheater everywhere, believe in honest players trying to build some community.


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#9
justinsr316

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It's not a community. If you truly do understand the difference between a game and real life then you would realize it is not a community. Nothing worse when there is 100 people; 99 see something as black 1 sees it as white... the 99 must be wrong because they "just don't see the perspective of the 1", regardless of truth. Right now man, you are that 1.. it isn't that everyone else is failing to get where you are coming from, we see your point and it is invalid. Sorry to be so blunt, it isn't going to happen so lets not make a huge deal out of it and move on. 

 

PS

This is nothing like fascist arguments or any socialist/communists arguments, it is a video game. 


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#10
Sev

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Its not going to happen.  

 

As others pointed out, the reason we have fuel costs associated with trades is to try an stem the possible exploitation of the system. Having free trade between alliance members would totally undermine this.



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Bullfye

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It's not me being paranoid.  It's what Con himself has said.

 


 

Given the rate at which you get weapons/gear/resources at high levels, I'm inclined to agree with him.  If a high level player was able to dump all their resources/supplies on a lower level account it would be game breaking imho.

 

 

Sorry but do not agree with this as it looks more like an excuse then anything else !

 

Everything from crafting upgrading or trading among others  cost fuel cause its a way to make us buy fuel and spend money on the game !...Period !

 

I do understand that a game developing needs some cash to go ahead but the simple thing is that every game ( Like this ) its free on the basics to get your attention and then the real basics changes to a need of keep playing it and leveling up changes into a money cash flow for the game developers...you can see this here and every FB game...all of them are the same based  idea , Free to play and pay to keep playing !

 

This is my opinion 

 

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Rain08

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Sorry but do not agree with this as it looks more like an excuse then anything else !

 

Everything from crafting upgrading or trading among others  cost fuel cause its a way to make us buy fuel and spend money on the game !...Period !

 Free to play and pay to keep playing !

 

This is my opinion 

 

I've started to play the game around August of 2012, I now have 2 accounts, one on AG (the first one) then one on FB (which I created just more than year ago). My AG account currently has around 7,500 fuel; if I include the amount of fuel that I've spent since the beginning, it would probably be in the 17k~23k range. While I collected around 4,000 fuel on my FB account since last year. I was able to collect that amount of fuel without using a single cent, all of those came from being patient and just playing the game. Believe me, fuel is now easier to find than before. You have different ways of getting it free by: Doing missions which can get you around 10~30 fuel (around 30~50 if you have a Peak Oil), FUEL generator which CAG generously gave us, by raiding/doing the bounty, alliance wars and the latest which is the survivor requests. Plus, if you know how to trade, you can make a fortune. If you have gathered enough key cards and you think you might not use them for a while, you can use it for the fuel boxes.

Probably you're still a low level, that's why you wrote that. I haven't seen anyone rant for a while about needing to pay just to play the game properly.


Edited by Rain08, 24 March 2015 - 02:51 PM.

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Buue

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Sorry but do not agree with this as it looks more like an excuse then anything else !

Everything from crafting upgrading or trading among others cost fuel cause its a way to make us buy fuel and spend money on the game !...Period !

So, you want infinite max crafts as long as you have components and also actually free stuff since we no longer have to pay fuel, and plus like Rain08 said, you can get fuel daily now to pay for the cost of trading...

Edited by SpicyBlobs, 24 March 2015 - 04:34 PM.

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Bullfye

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So, you want infinite max crafts as long as you have components and also actually free stuff since we no longer have to pay fuel, and plus like Rain08 said, you can get fuel daily now to pay for the cost of trading...

 First  if you want to upgrade a Gun the Fuel cost should me almost none and parts for it should be there and are not...upgrading a gun costs an enormous quantity of fuel that a Low level like me can not get..second lower levels here unless we are protected are easy targets for guys with higher levels that attack and raid the compound, I  am not complaining on anything here just stating what I see wrong, should this be a war game and I would not talk about raiding and attacks of any kind , but its more like a survival  game , that should  make raiding per levels and not what ever you want to raid , its not even fair for a level 14 to be raided by a level 40 or 30 cause its not a balanced fight, and I see lots of people here posting this like it was something great to achieve, its a  coward act, cause he should attack levels like he has...not talking of anyone in special, but stating it...

 

Has for the repairs and upgrades I see the use of Fuel just a way of making you spend it, and cause you are low level making you buy more in case you obviously like the game... cause you have  a game play that its not fair you can be attacked by a higher level player at any moment and this either forces you to spend fuel to buy stuff to build and upgrade defenses and the compound in general or you just quit the game after a wile cause you get without any chance of defense against that....

 

 

Fuel its easy to get you say, ok , where cause I am level 14 and the most I have got in a mission was 20 , and in rewards maybe 1000 ...so tell me where it is so easy to get !!! ?

 

And after tell me how you get it and what level are you ! ?

 

Then its again my own opinion, I can see that people here just forget how it was when they were lower levels , and even then for someone that started playing this 1 or 2 years ago its nothing  of challenge compared to now cause there are a lot more players now then before when they started...its not their fault no, its not, and I am not accusing no one for being a bigger level, but the game turns into a unfair game play when I see this same guys raiding a guy that started one or 2 weeks ago playing this ! 

 

 

 

 

Please don't take my words the wrong way, I love the game, just see some stuff that I feel are to unfair in this game... but the its Beta maybe it changes for better ..I am waiting and playing it !

 

 

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Buue

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 First  if you want to upgrade a Gun the Fuel cost should me almost none and parts for it should be there and are not...upgrading a gun costs an enormous quantity of fuel that a Low level like me can not get..second lower levels here unless we are protected are easy targets for guys with higher levels that attack and raid the compound, I  am not complaining on anything here just stating what I see wrong, should this be a war game and I would not talk about raiding and attacks of any kind , but its more like a survival  game , that should  make raiding per levels and not what ever you want to raid , its not even fair for a level 14 to be raided by a level 40 or 30 cause its not a balanced fight, and I see lots of people here posting this like it was something great to achieve, its a  coward act, cause he should attack levels like he has...not talking of anyone in special, but stating it...

 

Has for the repairs and upgrades I see the use of Fuel just a way of making you spend it, and cause you are low level making you buy more in case you obviously like the game... cause you have  a game play that its not fair you can be attacked by a higher level player at any moment and this either forces you to spend fuel to buy stuff to build and upgrade defenses and the compound in general or you just quit the game after a wile cause you get without any chance of defense against that....

 

 

Fuel its easy to get you say, ok , where cause I am level 14 and the most I have got in a mission was 20 , and in rewards maybe 1000 ...so tell me where it is so easy to get !!! ?

 

And after tell me how you get it and what level are you ! ?

 

Then its again my own opinion, I can see that people here just forget how it was when they were lower levels , and even then for someone that started playing this 1 or 2 years ago its nothing  of challenge compared to now cause there are a lot more players now then before when they started...its not their fault no, its not, and I am not accusing no one for being a bigger level, but the game turns into a unfair game play when I see this same guys raiding a guy that started one or 2 weeks ago playing this ! 

 

 

 

 

Please don't take my words the wrong way, I love the game, just see some stuff that I feel are to unfair in this game... but the its Beta maybe it changes for better ..I am waiting and playing it !

 

 

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I am right now level 32, and survivor requests can give 20 and I am sure that isn't the max for my level, you can also get cans of fuel if you play with no DMU for one day. Then there is the fuel genny, protect it well, at least 5 fuel. So 20+10+5 is at least 35 in two days. 30 in one day, 30 fuel is enough for 4 items total in trade. With free trade slots, it is 8 items.

 

Edit: Higher levels always raid lower levels because they are all afraid of failing at equal or higher level, even me. This is normal in Dead Zone, if you raid equal or higher levels, there is a higher chance of failure. BTW the highest level people can raid you is 5-7 levels higher, pretty sure it isn't 5 anymore, had someone at 6 raid me. But if a lvl 40 is raiding lvl 14? don't think so, maybe in a future retaliation, but don't know where you got that from...


Edited by SpicyBlobs, 25 March 2015 - 01:16 AM.

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Bullfye

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I am right now level 32, and survivor requests can give 20 and I am sure that isn't the max for my level, you can also get cans of fuel if you play with no DMU for one day. Then there is the fuel genny, protect it well, at least 5 fuel. So 20+10+5 is at least 35 in two days. 30 in one day, 30 fuel is enough for 4 items total in trade. With free trade slots, it is 8 items.

 

Edit: Higher levels always raid lower levels because they are all afraid of failing at equal or higher level, even me. This is normal in Dead Zone, if you raid equal or higher levels, there is a higher chance of failure. BTW the highest level people can raid you is 5-7 levels higher, pretty sure it isn't 5 anymore, had someone at 6 raid me. But if a lvl 40 is raiding lvl 14? don't think so, maybe in a future retaliation, but don't know where you got that from...

It was my way of saying it about the raids...but yes a level 30 can raid a level 14 ...go to YouTube and you can see all kind of raid Videos from the attackers posted has it was a great achievement for them... but ....about the rest, it was my opinion mate, nothing else, I am playing the game for 2 weeks and I love it , its different but some how I see stuff like in any other FB game, simple pay to play or you will never get some stuff that can really help your compound grow stronger and bigger ! 

 

 

And it is somehow frustrating sometimes to just like a game and be knocked out from your socks with some stuff you see in this games...but then , I am  guy that knows reality and this is what it is ! 

 

For me ...

 

Not ranting like some said above but just giving my opinion plain and simple !

 

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#17
Buue

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This feels like a pay to play game but you can still hold out if you don't pay, just be lucky, have a good defense, and you may be able to defend against unique buyers. If you have skill and luck(with crititals) you may be able to beat a unique defense. But you don't know if the defense is pure unique. Just learn the tips and tricks, don't hesitate ( most likely will kill you but if you don't, how do you play? )

Edited by SpicyBlobs, 25 March 2015 - 03:38 AM.

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Bullfye

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I've started to play the game around August of 2012, I now have 2 accounts, one on AG (the first one) then one on FB (which I created just more than year ago). My AG account currently has around 7,500 fuel; if I include the amount of fuel that I've spent since the beginning, it would probably be in the 17k~23k range. While I collected around 4,000 fuel on my FB account since last year. I was able to collect that amount of fuel without using a single cent, all of those came from being patient and just playing the game. Believe me, fuel is now easier to find than before. You have different ways of getting it free by: Doing missions which can get you around 10~30 fuel (around 30~50 if you have a Peak Oil), FUEL generator which CAG generously gave us, by raiding/doing the bounty, alliance wars and the latest which is the survivor requests. Plus, if you know how to trade, you can make a fortune. If you have gathered enough key cards and you think you might not use them for a while, you can use it for the fuel boxes.

Probably you're still a low level, that's why you wrote that. I haven't seen anyone rant for a while about needing to pay just to play the game properly.

Ranting cause I gave my opinion on the game ???

 

Maybe if you started the game now and not 2 years ago you would see it differently !

I do not understand the strange capacity that some people have to twist other peoples words !

 

I think what I think and be my guest if you think I am ranting, cause I do not agree with your point of view or this game perspective, I see some things as in most games like this that will only benefit the stronger gamer and as usual doesn't protect the lower level player that starts playing it, Ok we have a 7 days protection system that in the beginning avoid us some problems but once its over either you have the ways to defend your compound or you will see a lot of higher level players raid you every day...and this is ranting ???

 

I am playing Sparta War of Empires for 2 years now, and The same thing happens, only I am a higher level there and still I do not raid or attack active players for no reason, and its a War game ! 

 

Ranting should be something like this !

 

 

" This game is crap, and fails in epic proportions, and its a cash sponge that only can be played by guys with money ! "

 

That is ranting mate, and that was not what I have said, if you read carefully what I have wrote !

 

 

Anyway, who cares ???!!!

 

If you play this and everything goes fine and dandy for you and criticize a different  opinion stating that its a rant cause it touches your game today like it is , it is not called ranting , it is called defending your own goals and not seeing the common game play !

 

Have a nice game guys !

 

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Rain08

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Okay, how about this: I started my second account on FB March of 2014, currently the fuel count is at 1,500. With the exception of having experience and giving items to the second account from my main, I haven't encountered any problems with other players. Now, you can say that others don't raid me much because I know how to set up my defenses and have decent weaponry , but I have faced this same situation when I started 2½ years ago in my main AG account. I didn't know much about the game and my FUEL level wasn't that high. I also have no idea on how to raid other players; the first time I experienced (I was around level 20) raiding is when another player decided to do it to me. At that time, it was a big challenge to me because: A.) I have no idea on what to do B.) The ammo update occurred when I was about to retaliate C.) I didn't have good weaponry. However, I won partly because the other player's defense was not good. Then after like reaching level 33-ish (this was before the level 30+ location update), another player started to raid me to get resources from me; after 5 battles, I have thought that this guy won't stop then it turned to 20 then to 50 and 70. Of course, this has hampered down my efforts to play the game and upgrade my structures since it also turned into attrition warfare where we wait for the other one to stop raiding from being exhausted. I've also won it even though we have the same skill and quality of weaponry, but it's a bit of a pyrrhic victory since I've suffered moderate damage. And last May of 2013, I bought the White Flag book because I wanted to earn as much fuel as I can so I can use it for future use. Then back to my FB account which I started because if I would remove the White Flag from my main account, then I may not get a steady stream of fuel. I felt that I need a reset and also I want to get back on raiding. Plus, I got a bug that I wasn't able to get the 7 day protection for being a beginner, but I was lucky that no one raided me.

Be thankful that fuel is now easier to find than 2 years ago and the game was also harder. Before (before the FUEL Gen. update), my AG account only gathered like 600 fuel after 4 months of playing; however, my FB account (negating the help of my main) can get 600 fuel (I was able to get the genny to level 7 immediately) in a month (minus the missions) because of this thing. I have't seen another game that lets the player create his/her own in-game premium from playing the game and waiting. Fuel is even easier to find than elite (purple) items. You can indirectly earn fuel by trading, if you're able to get key cards, you can use them to open the fuel boxes and earn more fuel.

My point here is that you don't ever need to use fuel to play the game, sure you may use it to craft items that you think you may need for defending your compound, apart from that you may not use it. I see a very reasonable cause on why you need to use fuel on some parts of the game and that is to prevent people exploiting the game. On your first post on this thread, you said that crafting, upgrading and trading costs fuel so that people would buy it from the devs. Now if we remove the fuel cost, players would just keep crafting items until they get a perfect one without any consequences; many of the high range weapons would even have more range because upgrading costs nothing; items would be transferred from one player to another without worrying about the costs and many would exploit this system.

The key on winning in this game is just playing it and being patient.

 


Edited by Rain08, 25 March 2015 - 03:59 PM.

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Buue

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I think what I think and be my guest if you think I am ranting, cause I do not agree with your point of view or this game perspective, I see some things as in most games like this that will only benefit the stronger gamer and as usual doesn't protect the lower level player that starts playing it, Ok we have a 7 days protection system that in the beginning avoid us some problems but once its over either you have the ways to defend your compound or you will see a lot of higher level players raid you every day...and this is ranting ???

Just a note when your protection runs out from the 7 days, only someone 1 level higher can raid you. It isn't possible for a level 30 to attack you since they haven't even appeared in your neighborhood yet.
On the other hand, people of equal level and five levels lower can attack you. So this part doesn't make sense, at all.

Edited by SpicyBlobs, 25 March 2015 - 05:04 PM.

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